Indivision ECS V2 ghosting

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  • A good game to see how bad the ghosting really is with the ECS V2 is Disposable Hero. At the start of the first level the ghosting looks horrible. Even with scanlines on. Does not matter what resolution or config one uses. Ghosting will be there no matter what. I instead plugged my BenQ BL 912 into RGB port. Looks so much better. I see absolutely no ghosting.

  • It's not game-specific, but resolution specific: Reduce output pixel clock, and the input stage of the monitor will act much more like the traditional output stage. No wonder that it works nicely with 15kHz horizontal and 7/14MHz pixel clock :-)

  • It's not game-specific, but resolution specific: Reduce output pixel clock, and the input stage of the monitor will act much more like the traditional output stage. No wonder that it works nicely with 15kHz horizontal and 7/14MHz pixel clock :-)

    I know it's not game specific. But certain colours show the ghosting even more.I hear you. But that doesn't explain why me and so many other people have little to no ghosting on ECS V1. I have even replicated the pixel clocks and made the same profiles the ECS V1 is outputting, on the ECS V2. People are reporting ghosting with all kinds of monitors and resolutions. There must be a reason why there is no ghosting on V1 but alot of ghosting on V2. ECS V1 is not outputting 15KHz. It's outputting 31KHz + and with no ghosting. If there is some kind of hardware mod we can do to get rid of this ghosting it would be nice if you could post some info so people who are able to solder could do the mod themselves.

  • So I tried one of my ECS V1 again. And holy moly does the ECS V1 have noticeable better picture quality VS ECS V2. The picture is more clear and vibrant and no noticeable ghosting. As I said, I even replicated the 62Hz and 50Hz profile the V1 has, with my ECS V2. Made sure the monitor switched to the same resolution, Hz, pixelclock and everything. The ECS V1 simply has much better picture quality.


    this must be different parts used in the output circuitry between V1 and V2. With higher quality parts in the V1 or something else that went wrong with V2. If the V2 had the same picture quality the V1 has I would be a happy man.


    Edit: The Turbo Chameleon 64 V2 has the exact same ghosting the ECS V2 has. Using the minimig core with the TC64 V2 I can compare directly. Exactly the same ghosting and even less sharp VS ECS V2. minimig switches my BenQ monitors to 720x576. Looking at ECS V1 in 50Hz mode, which also swtiches my monitors to 720x576 I have a crystal clear and very vibrant picture with no ghosting.


    I wouldn't be surprised if TC64 V1 has a much nicer picture VS TC64 V2. I suspect this has to do with components used in ECS V2/TC64 V2 VS ECS V1/TC64 V1. Probably lower quality components in the VGA circuitry or something.

  • I have the ECS V2 back in one of my A600s. I defineately think there is less noticeable ghosting/smearing in this setup VS the A500 Plus. It's still worse than ECS V1. ECS V1 has very slight ghosting.


    Honestly, with the ECS V2 in my A600 I think the picture is very acceptable. The ghosting is only apparent in certain games that that has certain colour combinations. Like in the beginning of the first level in Disposable Heroes.


    The smearing on the right side of icons in workbench is not that visible in this setup. I have to put it back in my A500 Plus again to compare. Or maybe I'm getting old and my eyesight is failing me.

  • I'll try to optimize the mod, so fewer components and bodge wires are required. Otherwise, I fear that too many Indivision ECS V2 will die in the attempt of applying this mod.

    And some new will be buyed :-)

    Where to find documentation of that mod?

  • I think Indivision should come clean and te

    I didn't get around to making that patch-board. We're busy with Indivision AGA MK3 and the power supplies.

    At the same time you could tell us how to rebuild the VGA circuitry on the TC64 V2. So we have a chance at getting the same picture quality the ECS V1, TC64 V1, AGA MK1 and AGA MK2 (when using VGA) has.

  • Well, this is my solution (image quality is low from my camera)...

    I set the blacktuner lower, interlaced on, and some creative pixels as background. Looks quite nice on the screen and the issue is hardly seen as it stops at another pixel.

    in most games it isnt visible enough to get anoing.


    Note that i dont use a samsung monitors, but at the moment LC-Power, Iyama, LG end philips. Only with the Indi ECSII i have ghosting (not with TC64V2, Indi AGA II en III on VGA)


    Apart from this, the image is good.

  • Sorry, contract work got in the way. However, the good news is that I got a reel of a lower-cost RF transistor that I want to try for the mod, to make it more affordable.